In re to Ellen…..she herself said that she will be “reborn”. So to say that she is a Six model…that is kinda off the wall. Since the six’s are reincarnated. It is more likely to say that she is the child that the Six is carrying, or someone yet unseen. Since the child she is carrying is product of a cylon (Six)/cylon (Ty) relationship. Which is unheard of in the Cylon world. Especially since the first, and only, human/cylon hybrid is Hara.

Just some food for thought…….

Of course, from what some of you have posted above, it sounds like the actress who plays Ellen and various people involved in the show have confirmed that Ellen is the Fifth. Then again, who says they have to tell us the truth . . .?

Regardless, it’s entirely anticlimactic unless:

1) Ellen returns, or
2) Ellen is not the fifth (or at least not the last) cylon.

As for Starbuck, I just don’t know. I don’t think BSG would introduce something entirely new to the mythology at this late date (e.g. — time travel), so she has to be explicable based on what we already know. But the only resurrections we know can (or at least could) occur are those of cylons. But I think Starbuck’s character is less interesting if she turns out to be a cylon. Besides, supposedly all the cylons are outed now. Unless Ellen’s a red herring . . . and now we’re back where we started.

Screw it. Like Lost, I’m going to stop trying to figure stuff out and just enjoy the ride. I just hope the sum is as great as its parts!

I wonder how the 13th tribe came to be however. Who build the first cylons?
My guess is that they were build by The Lords of Kobol and later on divided in thirteen divisions/tribes. This means that all tribes were cylon and that the lords were the original “humans”.
Maybe those tribes were abused in the same way the later cylons (iteration 2) were abused by the colonies, as slaves, and left to get a life of their own.

I also guess this is the origin of the ban on any research into the final five by the cylons stems from this. They would have to acknowledge that they were killing there own race.

What’s left though is why everyone forgot there origin as cylons? How do the raiders and centurions fit into the cylon race? They seem to be seperate, certainly if you imagine that the first of the (iteration 2) cylons is a humanoid in the form of Zoe-R and not a centurion.

To summarize things this is the cycle as I suspect it to be:

Iteration 1:
- The Lords of Kobol create a race of artificial humanoids.
- The artificial humanoids divide into separate tribes.
- One tribes leaves toward Earth, possibly to escape slavery. Later on they forget there origin and even create there own robots (centurions).
- Two thousand years later the tribe on Earth gets nuked by some unknown aggressor. Maybe by the Lords of Kobol who find them.
- Around the same time the other tribes leave Kobol. Maybe as a protest against the destruction of Earth. In case the destruction was not caused by the lords they may have left for other reasons. This would also solve the problem of the worship of the lords, which would be illogical in the case it was a protest.
- The tribes arrive at twelve planets and form the colonies. In time they also forget there origins. Perhaps they hide there origin on purpose from future generations.

Iteration 2:
- Two thousand years later they begin to construct artificial humanoids (Zoe-R) themselves and call them cylon. At the same time centurions are developed. Soon they will be treated as slaves and the name applies to both groups. Almost nobody knows of the existence of the humanoids at this time however, thus in practice the name is applied to centurions only.
- A short time later a war breaks out between the colonies and the cylons.
- An armistice is declared and the cylons leave the space of the colonies. At this time the humanoids begin to rise in significance among the cylons. They differ from the iteration 1 variety (“humans”) in that there is a limited amount of models which are copied and cannot permanently die.
- The cylons, guided by the humanoids destroy the colonies.

I know this is pure speculation, however this would explain the cycles without having to resort to higher powers. It would also explain why the final five where so difficult to detect: they were the same as the rest of the fleet.
Though they were able to tell that the bodies on Earth were cylon, it could be that they refined the detection method with the help of the rebel cylons and that they simply did not apply the test to the rest of the fleet yet.

What does the rest think of this?

Chris: Wow. What a great idea — Starbuck as the devil. It would explain why Leoben freaks out! We know they believe in one true god, but does anyone know if the cylons have a belief in a “satan”?

In reference to episode 4.11:
I think that this episode draws more questions that it answers. Sure I’m happy that the final cylon was revealed, but Ellen? I wasn’t expecting that. That revalation alone makes me wonder…

So if Ellen’s dead and is a cylon, where is she now? I know that the skinjob copies download into a hub then into a resurrection ship, but they download into identical bodies to the ones that they just left. If some of the assumptions are correct above and the new Kara is a reincarnated Ellen then why does she only remember being Starbuck? Is there a resurrection hub of some sort near New Caprica stocked with new Ellen/Kara bodies, or even bodies of the other Final Five? Where’d Kara’s new Viper come from?
If all this is true then “something is orchestrating this for a reason” as Kara herself said in Episode 4.10 [Revalations].
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg of questions I have in relation to the single fact that Ellen is the Fifth of the Final Five.

On a sad, shallow sidenote of mine… I was also sad to see Kandyse McClure leave the show. Not just because her character was awesome and a much-needed inspiration to the other characters (which it definitely was) but mostly because…
SHE WAS THE HOTTEST GIRL ON THE SHOW!!
Sigh, oh well… I guess I still have Laura Roslin to pine after… *shiver*